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Why Nice Wins (with Karen Peek, Detroit's Muni Golf Boss) Episode 294

Why Nice Wins (with Karen Peek, Detroit's Muni Golf Boss)

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Karen Peek's first golf memory isn't a great shot. It's her mom and aunt on the lesson tee at Rackham, laughing to tears and hitting it terribly.
In this episode of The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf, host Matt Considine and co-host Dr. Kevin Moore (a.k.a. "The Professor") sit down with

Karen Peek (Director of Golf Operations for Golf Detroit and an LPGA teaching professional) to talk about growing up on Detroit's municipal courses, chasing the LPGA Tour through four Q-Schools, and why being genuinely glad to see people is the best business decision a golf course can make.

The conversation dives into:
  • Learning the game from Ben Davis at Rackham and Chris Williams at Palmer Park, the only two Black members of the Michigan PGA section at the time
  • Four tries at the LPGA Tour, never once feeling comfortable at Q-School, and a putting saga that runs from hypnosis to a new Scotty Cameron ordered two weeks ago
  • Why teaching is a skill, not telling people how you do it, and why the boyfriend lesson ends the golf before it ends the relationship
  • The 150-yard markers at Chandler Park and why she isn't getting drunk on golf's boom
  • "Hey dude, what's up?", the private-club pro shop that never said hello, and why she can charge more because her courses are nicer
  • Ben Davis's legacy: humble, fierce, and always moving golfers off the range and onto the course
Connect with our guest
πŸŒοΈβ€β™€οΈ Karen Peek β€” Golf Detroit: https://golfdetroit.org β€” πŸ“˜ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GolfDetroit/ β€” πŸ’Ό https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-peek-6a649712/

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Chapters
00:00 Cold open: when your boyfriend is your golf teacher
00:45 Welcome, and a bruised fall for Guardians and Bulldogs fans
03:12 Best fall format: East Lothian rules vs. Steel vs. Rubber
05:05 The team-event climax, plus First Tee Cleveland and Akron
06:20 Meet Karen Peek of Golf Detroit
07:56 The Professor's teaching: 20 minutes outside, less cortisol
09:58 Erin Hills: the glaciers did the heavy lifting
12:10 Karen joins: baseball first, and nothing for State
15:18 A Cleveland-fan dad and a Tigers-fan daughter
19:35 Mom's lessons with Ben Davis: so happy, so awful
22:12 Free Press summer golf school: 400 kids, no golf balls
23:39 Biking to Palmer Park and learning from Chris Williams
25:07 Losing her dad at 14, and the comfort of the individual game
27:51 Par was the standard, practice was the answer
31:37 Four tries at the LPGA Tour, and advice from people who haven't been there
36:43 Q-School: prepared until she got there
38:45 Hypnosis, acupuncture, and a putter over the knee
42:53 Lemons into lemonade: joining the LPGA to teach
44:50 Teaching is a skill, not telling people how you do it
48:16 Six-foot-four students and "please don't apologize"
52:41 What Carol Mann taught her: people need to know you care
56:28 Horrific lessons and the boyfriend at the range
59:35 Delivery over knowledge: listen first
1:03:13 Get them on the course, the sooner the better
1:04:14 Nobody knows what 300 yards looks like (hit one more club)
1:08:49 The 150-yard markers at Chandler Park
1:11:23 Don't get drunk on the boom
1:13:19 Building comfort: staff who look like your golfers
1:15:26 "Hey dude, what's up?"
1:17:36 The private-club pro shop that said nothing
1:19:23 "I can charge more because I'm nicer"
1:22:55 Ben Davis: humble, fierce, always smiling
1:26:26 Thanks, and the outro with Erin Hills

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Creators and Guests

Matt Considine
Host
Matt Considine
Founder of NewClub and our resident feel player. Matt’s junior golf career led him to the University of Akron where he met our co-host. During his junior year, Matt Studied abroad in Ireland and discovered golf societies. Subsequent trips to Scotland fed his passion for the history, ideals, and culture of accessible, affordable, and sustainable golf, a concept he would later bring to the U.S. with NewClub. Known for his interviewing style, quick wit, and compelling storytelling, Matt brings thoughtful, reflective conversations to The Bag Drop. His professional journey before NewClub included multiple leadership positions in growth-stage startups, where he managed teams responsible for more than $250 million in revenue. Matt actively gives back to the game as a Board Member of the First Tee of Akron and past chair of the Evans Scholar Foundation. Proudly based in his hometown of Akron, Ohio, Matt finds inspiration in family life with his wife, their three children, and their golf dog, Gypsy.
The Professor
Host
The Professor
NewClub's Chief Ambassador and every golf sicko's favorite educator. Kevin is a thoughtful and deeply curious host. His studied, constructivist approach adds intellectual enrichment and balance to the show. As a professor of Math Education at the University of Georgia, Kevin's background in applied mathematics and cognitive psychology uniquely informs his insights on golf strategy and performance. Originally from Ohio, Kevin was a Division I collegiate golfer at the University of Akron, where his passion for understanding mathematical thinking began. After earning his doctorate from Arizona State University, he combined his analytical expertise with his love for golf by co-founding Golf Blueprint, an organization aimed at helping golfers optimize their games through data-driven strategies. Kevin enjoys balancing deep philosophical discussions with simple pleasures, such as indulging his sweet tooth, cheering on college football, and spending relaxed evenings with his friends, his wife, and their beloved dog, Nole.

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